Invention would be good way to use time while mining but there's a few problems:

- You already have max number of lab jobs in progress
- It takes weeks to get copies (queues)
- All your BPOs are in 40+ day queues for ME researching

Good way to lose many BPOs.

Then I have to use NPC stations with 40+ day queues.

1337 PvP:
Warp to belt in Catalyst -> target Hulk -> press F1 -> go AFK.

You play modified EVE Online (afaik it's against EULA). In this EVE Online I play there's no turret/launcher hardpoints on Hulk.

Can't get enough materials from reprocessing loot. And the fact that there's only few missions where you can get a lot of loot.

And get 1-2 ISk profit per hull/module. Oh, yeah!

Rokh works only if sanity isn't important for you.

Let's put it this way:

How many level 4 missions you have to run to build one BC hull?
How many hours you have to mine to build one BC hull?

Nowhere near enough loot to be reprocessed. Even with "we take = 0%".

Real question is: why there's mining ships if they are useless?

What ships I could use for mining if I'm not allowed to use mining ships?

Again, I don't mine for ISK. I mine to get materials needed in MANUFACTURING.

Do you use Rifter often to mine minerals needed for freighter?

What I meant was that I don't mine and then sell ore/materials like some miners do. Should I trash everything instead?

What other uses there is for minerals/salvage?
Should I give it all to pirates?

We are talking about hundreds of millions of units of stuff.

Keep everything in hangar?

What I should do if I'm not allowed to sell?

Again, I don't mine for ISK. I mine to get materials needed in MANUFACTURING.

That's like saying "I don't see anyone forcing you to use that Tengu" to mission runners. They keep using it because it's fastest.

First you say hisec miners and mission runners just print isk and don't do anything creative. And it's obviously bad for game.
Then you say I should do that.

Try to decide...

First you say hisec miners and mission runners just print isk and don't do anything creative. And it's obviously bad for game.

Show me 30k EHP Procurer.

I don't want to use ship with paper thin tank for mining. So, where's that 30k EHP Procurer?

Try to mine with three of those at least 3 hours and then tell us how did it go.

Have you ever tried to build a freighter by using only reprocessed mission loot?
Do you know how many units of tritanium you need to build a freighter?

First you say hisec miners and mission runners just print isk and don't do anything creative. And it's obviously bad for game.

It takes around 5 months of mission running to get enough tritanium for Charon if you run missions 6 hours a day and loot everything. Guess how long it takes in Hulk? Want to guess how long it takes in Rifter?

Not you, nullbears.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626

50M/hr is not possible. I've managed 28M/hr and that's only with very good missions. Doesn't happen often.

All smart mission runners do it at the same time with shooting stuff.

You forgot how much is it going to cost to run those missions. You know, ammo.

If you want me to quit mining could you tell what's alternative if I want to keep current income.

If ganking Hulks gets boring you can always gank my Damnation. Just prepare to lose few Tornadoes.

Try mining with three Rokhs for 3 hours and then tell us how did it go. And more importantly would you do it again?

Are you troll or just stupid? Probably best if you continue just mining that Tech.

Pilot with perfect skills and 3% Highwall implant:
Full cycle of 8 MDCMIIs mines 3500 m3 (heavily rounded) of ore
Rokh's cargohold: 625 m3

Mining yield is 5,6 times bigger than Rokh's cargohold.

Because you get bonuses from Orca pilot who doesn't have mindlink one cycle is 141s.

So you're going to move ore from your cargohold to Orca's hangars or can every 25s or so. Actually even more often because you have to do that after every time laser cycles and you have 8 of those. Use three Rokhs and you hav 24 lasers.

I give you 1 million if you can post a video you mining with three Rokhs for 3 hours. And 1 million bonus if you don't have to get professional help after that.

So, you're a troll.

I don't mine in Damnation. It was just a challenge for gankers like you. But looks like it's way too difficult task for elite pvp'ers.

Damnation is still too tough challenge for elite pvp'er?

If ganking Hulks gets boring you can always gank my Damnation.

So, your answer is yes? Are you afraid of losing internet spaceship pixels or internet spaceship money?

Especially when you need tech to build them. And where someone gets it? Yeah, your alliance.

I already read it. You guys just conquer all areas with Cobalt moons.

In case you didn't know: Damnation is T2 ship. That means building one requires moon materials. You guys have all moons...

Not easy to just take something from 25k players.

It's not easy to find people to do it when they can just field 2000 supers, 2000 capitals, 10000 subcaps to defend their moons.

Stop trolling.

It's very hard to find even few people to do it. That's not even enough when you guys just hotdrop 800 titans and fight is over.

You're a troll and you don't know how many EVE player are out there.

Usually peak is around 45k characters online. Most of these characters are in your tech cartel.

So, how do you think it would be even possible? Of course you don't think it's possible because you've made it impossible.

Most of those are accounts for research, PI, Falcon, off grid booster alts. Why I haven't seen over 70k online ever?

Prove it.

And 300k of those are research and Falcon alts. No need to be online all the time.

I think you should prove your statement first.

I meant the "you can take those moons from QTEC with Falcon alts" thing.